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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:46 pm  Post subject: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Casey who was accused of killing her daughter Caylee in 2008. Her daughter was two and the Casey didn't tell anyone that her daughter was missing until about 30 days later. She has been on trial for a while now and the jury found her innocent. Thoughts? Opinions?

Well personally I think that she's guilty as hell. Who doesn't tell anyone that their kid is missing? She went out partying and kept making up excuses when people asked where Caylee was. When officials did find 2 year old Caylee, she was just bones with duct tape and a heart sticker on it over her mouth. In those 30 some days of not saying anything allowed the body to decompose. Perfect murder right? They found in her search history how to make chloroform, which is what she supposedly used to knock out her kid before killing her.

She's so guilty, and leave it to our judicial system to let a monster get away with killing a 2 year old little girl. She was found guilty for lying to the police...yet, innocent of murder. Go figure :frusty

Anyways, what are your thoughts /opinions? Do you think the jury is right to call her not guilty?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:30 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Being found not guilty is not the same as being innocent.]

I don't know enough about the case, but there was probably some doubt that got in the way of putting her away.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:49 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Meh, thought it went either way..guess not.

Well, DNA evidence made the prosecutor at a great disadvantage because the body was so decayed so that was the "reasonable doubt" but if it wasn't Casey, then who could have possibly done it? I mean what parent find it okay and doesn't worry that their kid goes missing for 30 days THEN tells someone. Hell if I was gone 3 min my mom would flip shit.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:23 am  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi PinkDuckTape and doyle:

The prosecutor must "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that a defendant is guilty. The defense attorney, by contrast, only must prove that "a reasonable doubt" exists that the defendant did not commit a crime to attain an aquittal. This, however, does not mean other factors influence whether a defendant is found guilty or not guilty.

There is an abundance of evidence which fingers O.J. Simpson as the murderer of both his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ronald Goldman, Nicole Brown Simpson's companion. Some of the evidence used by the prosecutor, Marcia Clark, and her team, was undoubtedly tainted by legal standards, and, therefore, weakened Clark's case that forensic evidence clearly incriminated Simpson as the killer.

Nevertheless, the mostly black jury became irate the moment F. Lee Bailey (i.e., one of Simpson's lawyers, who were collectively referred to as "the Dream Team") illustrated that LAPD Dectective Mark Fuhrman lied under oath by denying that he used the N-word. The moment that Bailey brought an audio tape into evidence before the predominately African-American jury which illustrated that Fuhrman spoke about African-Americans as N's, questions probably popped into the jury's mind. What if Fuhrman planted evidence? Moreover, isn't it possible that Fuhrman is just one of many racist police detectives? Also, the jurors, at this juncture, were probably trying to use their power as jurors to make a political statement. In 1992, four members of the LAPD beat an unarmed motorist named Rodney King, and were acquitted. Hence, the jurors probably thought that, by deciding to find Simpson not guilty, they were globally demonstrating that the only culprits in Crime Scene Investigations (CSI) were LAPD members. Consequently, the jury found Simpson not guilty of the double murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman in 1994.

Casey's Anthony case was different. In her situation, I think that the jury did not have enough evidence to convict her.

Both cases, though, did not mean Simpson's double murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman and Anthony's murder of her child did not transpire. All it meant is that both juries decided not to convict the defendants of the crimes of which the District Attorneys (DAs) accused them of committing.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:36 am  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Guilt will catch up with her, it always does look at the countless serial killers and murderers (I was gonna use OJ as an example) who have been caught years later for whatever reason. We have two bastards over here, sick little cunts (i use this word rarely, but it's needed here) who at eleven years old abducted a two year old and murdered him, they did unspeakable things to this child and instead of being tried as adults or whatever, ten years later after their release, I as a tax payer am paying for their new identities, new names, house, benefits and so on. Then we find out one of those dickhesds goes into a bar gets drunk and starts blabbing his crime (this was a serious case) well as you can imagine he had seven shits beat out of him and the whole process started again, new name, new life etc then two years later he's arrested for child porn charges. These people don't change, the UK never should have got rid of the death penalty. But the fact is he was caught again, for a different charge, but what he did will never leave him.

Thing is I think you have the same rules over there as us in England if you as a juror are unsure whether the accused commited the crime and don't know whether they are guilty or not, then you have to vote not guilty.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:59 am  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi NA:

The fact that many guilty people, such as O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony, "walk" as a consequence of a justice system which provides many "loopholes" for criminals, is very disconcerting indeed. However, the other alternative is to have a justice system that is capable of convicting any person for any reason by using any method. This sounds more like despotism than democracy.

Don't worry though--being found not guilty does not mean that the party is who "wronged" is barred from seeking legal redress. Ronald Goldman's father, for instance, successfully sued O.J. Simpson for the murder of his son after the jury found Simpson not guilty. Family members who were Casey Anthony's child's life can take the same action against her.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:31 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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I believe the is innocent for this one thing: Imagine YOUR son or daughter went missing. If my theoretical kid went missing, i'd be scared sh*tless.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:58 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Well, while Caylee was rotting in the woods her twisted mother was partying. Mother of year right here!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:10 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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well...i guess the evidence just wasnt there to render a guilty verdict, but the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

worst part is that this murderer is going to end up becoming a multi millionaire from this through book deals etc~

its just so wrong that a 2 year olds body was dumped on the side of the road and noone is going to jail for it~

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:48 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi Titan:

Perhaps there is hope. Family members involved in the life of Caylee can sue Casey Anthony for the wrongful death of her child. Not guilty verdicts do not allow prosecutors to try defendants for the same crime twice, a concept known as double jeopardy. Such verdicts, though, do not shield defendants from being sued after being acquitted. Seen as a whole, Anthony might become rich off her misdeeds, but it might be not before Anthony's family members collects a "hefty sum" money for the victim.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:20 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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hey QP~

wow, the networks and publicists are coming out left and right saying they wont give any kind of a book or movie deal to her becasue the public would absolutely crucify them for it~

i hope this trend continues and that if indeed some one does give her a book or movie deal that noone buys it~

even the guy from vivid entertainment retracted his offer to her to do a porno. No one wants anything to do with this bitch, she is pure poison to any publicist that touches her~

thats good news~

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:31 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi Titan:

The media is already starting to portray Casey Anthony as a victim, rather than a victimizer. Here is a link to the article: http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9OADKVG0%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011&page=1.

It is interesting to note, though, that the same journalistic report which tries to paint Anthony as an innocent mother also notes that she faces charges for lying to the police: "Anthony will be sentenced Thursday on four misdemeanor counts of lying to investigators while they were looking into her daughter's disappearance." It is quite ironic and farcical that the journalist who composed the article attempts to depict Anthony as an individual with an unblemished reputation, then contradicts that statement by noting that Anthony repeatedly lied about her crime.

If Casey is convicted for making false statements to the police, is sued successfully for the wrongful death of her daughter, or if both the former and latter occur, then Caylee's supporters can take solace in the fact that at least the victim was rewarded with a small amount of justice on her behalf.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:01 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Casey Anthony is pregnant....awww hells no.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:02 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi PinkDuckTape:

Here is a link to information about the Casey Anthony trial: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case.

And here is a link to Casey Anthony case transcripts: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/generic/news/anthony_case/caylee_anthony_case_transcripts.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:56 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Thanks QuotidianPerfection, I'll have to take a look. You really know your stuff about our judicial system.
Yes, I LOVE Lady Gaga, and nice picks on the CD's :) :cheers

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:15 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi PinkDuckTape:

Thank you for your kind words. I, too, appreciate your insightful remarks about the Casey Anthony case.

I read doyle's comment which said that being found not guilty and being innocent are two different things. In simplest terms, a not guilty verdict means the jury is not convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a defendant committed a crime. The defendant, however, could have very well committed the criminal act of which he or she is accused. A Casey Anthony juror makes this distinction: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/07/06/2011-07-06_casey_anthony_juror_jennifer_ford_speaks_i_did_not_say_she_was_innocent.html. If the accused is innocent of a crime, on the other hand, then it means that the defendant did not commit a crime. However, sometimes innocent individuals are executed. The following link documents an instance of this: http://cedpaustin.blogspot.com/2006/06/texas-killed-innocent-man.html.

I hope this explanation "clarifies a few things."

By the way, here is Lady Gaga's official video for her new hit song "Born this Way": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:31 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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I've been following this case for over a year. And really, the best thing you can do is to not talk about it. Honestly. Don't watch any TV show about her, don't buy any magazine about her, don't subscribe to any news about her. All that does is throw gasoline in the forest fire.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:30 pm  Post subject: Re: Casey Anthony- Innocent?  
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Hi CharmyDweeng:

I agree with you up to a certain point.

Some news agencies could careless that Caylee might have been killed by her mother--they just care about ratings.

The purpose of this thread, though, is to understand why the jury acquitted Casey Anthony. Anyone who looks at the Casey Anthony case in this manner--that is, with the intent of comphending why such a travesty of justice has occured, and what steps could be taken to ensure that similar cases do not effectuate in the same outcome--is actually learning from history.

In sum, I believe that any media organizations who try to capitalize monetarily off the Casey Anthony case by continuously alluding to the negative aspects of it are actually throwing "gasoline in the forest fire," and doing society a disservice in the process. In fact, it is likely that some media moguls cannot wait until another murderer is acquitted. Such an incident is one which is ripe, at least in their eyes, for economic exploitation. Law professors, though, who publicly analyze the Casey Anthony trial to ensure that another culprit like her does not "walk," actually improve others' understanding of the criminal justice system. These scholars do so by making authorities and prosecutors aware of what "steps they must take" to ensure that another Casey Anthony is not acquitted on the grounds that a lack of sufficient evidence is presented in a court of law.

The objective of this thread is not to use the Casey Anthony case to generate negative publicity; rather, it is geared towards improving people's cognition of the law so that, if they are picked as jurors to decide the fate of a case similar to that of Casey Anthony's, they will be able to do so given the limitations and parameters of the United States system of jurisprudence.

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