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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:58 pm  Post subject:   
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I'm voting for Obama.

Right now women get paid $.77 to every dollar a man makes. McCain beleive this should stay seeing how (and i quote) "Women need more training and education". Apparently he thinks women are domesticated to the kitchen and arn't well trained.

Well.... myself being the ONLY woman at my job, i am strongly against this. I have five years of experience, training, and education in the welding and fabrication field and thats not enough to get the same pay as a man with the same exact training? I don't think so, excuse my poor language but fuck McCain, i deserve the same pay as any man considering education, experience, and training.

And this is why I'm voting for Obama, he beleives in equal pay, your gender, religion, nationailty, sexual preference, or race should never ever come into question, EVER!!! McCain is a descriminating basterd.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:45 pm  Post subject:   
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I'm voting for Obama.

Right now women get paid $.77 to every dollar a man makes. McCain beleive this should stay seeing how (and i quote) "Women need more training and education". Apparently he thinks women are domesticated to the kitchen and arn't well trained.

Well.... myself being the ONLY woman at my job, i am strongly against this. I have five years of experience, training, and education in the welding and fabrication field and thats not enough to get the same pay as a man with the same exact training? I don't think so, excuse my poor language but fuck McCain, i deserve the same pay as any man considering education, experience, and training.

And this is why I'm voting for Obama, he beleives in equal pay, your gender, religion, nationailty, sexual preference, or race should never ever come into question, EVER!!! McCain is a descriminating basterd.


That's not what McCain is saying at all, actually. Now, I'm not a McCain supporter by any means (nor am I an Obama supporter, either... I preferred Huckabee), but spitting half-truths on here against anybody isn't good......

... McCain thinks it's okay to allow women with the same training and education to make the same amount of money as a man. Unfortunately, most women aren't as qualified, therefore they shouldn't expect to make the same... and yes, it is a domestication issue. It's not sexist, it just is. Take my mother for example... she's very smart, graduated college, etc. But she could never do my job at my level, or at least it would take her a long time to learn it and therefore she couldn't make as much as me. And why? Because when she was 26 (what I am), she was having her second of three children... it's called being a mother, which is still very ideal for the majority of women in the United States. It's not that most women aren't as capable, they just don't put the same time in as men do to earn the pay that a man gets. Again, I'm talking about the majority of women. If you're awesome at your job, then I hope you make as much as any man who is equally as good.

...... by the way, Obama couldn't change this fact, anyway. It's an employer's decision based on experience and education. If a woman can show she has equal or more than a man in both, then she'll make equal or more. You can't regulate employers to just give women the same amount if they aren't as qualified and vice versa.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:18 pm  Post subject:   
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It's like the way everyone congratulated Sarah Palin on the great job she did finishing the debate. She did an abysmal job, but because she didn't completely melt down, everyone was impressed.

That's sexism, folks.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:01 pm  Post subject:   
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I just find it interesting that people will vote for Obama because they have this impression of McCain that doesn't sit well with them. Yes, he's old and senile. But newsflash to anyone who's even paying half attention to everything: Obama is not a great candidate. He's not even a good one. He wasn't even supposed to make it this far, but people have bought in to his smiles and the fact he knows how to say the word "change" a lot. He's not going to change anything... that's the entire point. He's not going to pull out of Iraq, he won't help the economy (if anything, he'll hold it down due to his suggestions on increasing taxes), he won't control our borders, he won't make any good foreign policy decisions, he won't help better our education, he won't allow off-shore drilling for oil, he won't allow in-shore drilling for oil, he won't fund new energy technologies... if you believe he will just because he keeps saying the word "change", then you really haven't been listening.

Then again, McCain might die in 2 years and we'd have to deal with Palin. So... whatever.

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That's what I've been thinking about, imagine having her running things. It really changes everything.


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Well, you should never vote on President because of who the running mate is. For all we know, McCain will have 4-8 healthy, strong years left in him. To assume someone will die just because they're old is not good. If anything, Obama's life may be in more danger if he's elected (for various reasons I'm sure you can come up with yourself). And actually, Palin is the only one of the 4 who has executive experience, granted not on a large platform, but still...

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At least she can ask the soccer moms of the Middle East to help us out.


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since ive only been at my job for a year i dont get paid as much as most others and that obviously reasonable but paying me less because i'm female isnt right.(this is only sumthing ive read multible times and have gotten my outlook on) give me the same exact job as a man and not only will i do it right and on time but it'll look good cuz i kno im good at what i do.

i'm not even registered to vote any way.... and i dont think im going to. its hard choosing who to vote for.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:45 pm  Post subject:   
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As the election gets closer, it really looks as if though Obama has a really impressive stranglehold on winning.

Having said that, I have now become very, very worried. I should state that I am not really a McCain supporter... he wasn't even my 3rd choice through the primaries, mostly because he's practically a democrat himself.

But Obama's ideas and ideals promote socialism almost to the fullest extent. For people who don't really understand the concept of socialism, I suggest you study up on it. The logic behind it sounds great, but the reality behind it is complete and total destruction of an economy. It's the main reason the superpower Soviet Russia no longer exists. And for those who will jump to say, "Well, the economy is already really bad..." --- Yeah, it's really bad, but it hasn't gone under. Obama really has the potential to break us and I'm very, very, very distraught over this. I hope he doesn't, but the more he preaches, the more he shows me he doesn't get it (coincidentally, as McCain keeps saying).

McCain is old and senile and a lot of his views I complete disagree with, but at least he's tolerable. The economy wouldn't get any worse under him and he'd fight a good fight in the wars.

Sorry, I just had to get this out. Obama is such a likable guy, looks very presidential, and is a great speaker... but potentially more dangerous than any president we've ever had.

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How do you know all that, PD~? Ahh, because the media told you so!

Below are several VERY SHORT videos that should be more than enough to make any decent, civilized human being never even consider voting for this criminal piece of garbage.

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McCain is old and senile and a lot of his views I complete disagree with, but at least he's tolerable. The economy wouldn't get any worse under him and he'd fight a good fight in the wars.

Oh, really?

You mean the same John McCain who said the economy is "still strong" after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers?:

John McCain: economy is 'still strong'
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igAmVs0cvY8[/youtube]


The same John McCain who has admitted that he doesn't "really understand economics"?:

John McCain admits being ignorant about the economy.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfI9k2YOW_g[/youtube]


The same John McCain who makes a mockery of bombing millions of innocent people?:

McCain laughs, Sings Bomb Iran
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I[/youtube]


...yet isn't even able to pronounce the name of the person he claims is his greatest enemy?

McCain Tries and fails to say Ahmadinejad!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjmuRJj45A[/youtube]


...and then calls the sane, civilized, decent people who disagree with him "unpatriotic"?:

McCain says war critics should "get out of this country"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-ZPzA9yJg[/youtube]


The same John McCain who has no problem with the Iraq War lasting 100 years?

McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk[/youtube]


The same John McCain who has no clue about foreign nations, much less foreign policy? Recall some time back when the media talked about a "foreign policy gaffe" by McCain?:

McCain's Foreign Policy Gaffe (CBS News)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU[/youtube]


... well, that "gaffe" was used as a smokescreen to cover up a more serious "gaffe":

McCain: Vladimir Putin is the President of Germany?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ENwej0fpc[/youtube]


The same John McCain who will not even dignify himself to look at his opponent in a face-to-face debate?

McCain's Lack of Eye Contact: A Sign of Contempt?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9BTcERiYY[/youtube]


The same John McCain whose campaign lies are so blatant and repugnant that even the media has to feign surprise?:

John McCain's ads are LIES. Here's the video proof.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk[/youtube]


The same John McCain whose real irritable personality is never displayed by the media?:

John McCain's Rage is a National Security Concern
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAyK-enrF1g[/youtube]


The same John McCain who is accused by his closest fellow Vietnam POWs of committing treason and of being a traitor to America?

Vietnam Veterans Against John "Songbird" McCain
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzVxbUOn4EI[/youtube]
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And, finally, the most amazing of all... something the media and/or the Obama campaign could use to destroy McCain in less than an evening:

John McCain: I've always aspired to be a dictator
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Hcf7Q1Q9A[/youtube]

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:52 pm  Post subject:   
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Here's the problem that most people don't either want to accept or just don't care enough to realize... it's the poor and uneducated (as they almost always go hand in hand) who are ultimately going to be dumped on for this. Someone such as myself? Well, a girl I worked with just wasn't very smart and was also lazy to boot... so what happened? They fired her, gave me her responsibilities, and I got a considerable pay-raise (this happened last week, actually). So, people who actually work hard and have half a mind can and will get through this with no problems.

The reason for global economic bending is because human nature is to panic. That's why Bush and McCain both say that the economy, though in crisis, shall maintain a strong enough backbone to make it through this... and it will. If you're someone who has already assumed it's going to go all to hell completely, then you're one of the ones who is panicking and/or haven't educated yourself. It's actually very simple to have a good living in the United States even today. The people who are struggling are those dumb enough to venture into massive credit debt, have families and children when not financially stable enough to do so, and the like.

I'm actually planning on buying a pretty nice house next summer before I turn 27 years old. Not bad, eh? And to think, all it took was to not be dumb and lazy. Go figure.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:03 pm  Post subject:   
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Trying to avoid the issue, eh? The issue in this thread is McCain. There are two other threads about the economy.

This was your previous post:

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As the election gets closer, it really looks as if though Obama has a really impressive stranglehold on winning.

Having said that, I have now become very, very worried. I should state that I am not really a McCain supporter... he wasn't even my 3rd choice through the primaries, mostly because he's practically a democrat himself.

But Obama's ideas and ideals promote socialism almost to the fullest extent. For people who don't really understand the concept of socialism, I suggest you study up on it. The logic behind it sounds great, but the reality behind it is complete and total destruction of an economy. It's the main reason the superpower Soviet Russia no longer exists. And for those who will jump to say, "Well, the economy is already really bad..." --- Yeah, it's really bad, but it hasn't gone under. Obama really has the potential to break us and I'm very, very, very distraught over this. I hope he doesn't, but the more he preaches, the more he shows me he doesn't get it (coincidentally, as McCain keeps saying).

McCain is old and senile and a lot of his views I complete disagree with, but at least he's tolerable. The economy wouldn't get any worse under him and he'd fight a good fight in the wars.

Sorry, I just had to get this out. Obama is such a likable guy, looks very presidential, and is a great speaker... but potentially more dangerous than any president we've ever had.



After watching the short videos in my previous post, tell me why you would vote for John McCain.


I could go into much more detail about McCain, btw, but I think McCain speaks for himself pretty well in those videos. I could explain how he is tied into Arizona's organized crime through his wife Cindy Hensley, whom he married after dumping his sick first wife.

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I'm not voting for John McCain because I think he's great... as I don't really care for him on a lot of things that are important to me. However, I am urging people to not vote for Obama... hence, vote for McCain. Look, McCain is terrible, but Obama is suicide. I'll take the former, please.

And seriously, what do you care, anyway? You blurting your opinions and videos on the Untied States election would be like me commenting on ovarian cancer. It doesn't really matter.

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My opinions? It's McCain's own words, actions, friends, etc. I interpret facts and observations to make conclusions (not opinions). If you disagree with some conclusion, you may explain why, but don't brush it off as mere "opinion" in an attempt to pretend you have a valid argument.

You state that McCain is "terrible", but that Obama is worse. Perhaps you could post a set of videos showing how Obama is worse than someone who...

1) admits having no clue about economics,
2) calls for and jokes about launching another war that would kill millions of innocent people,
3) thinks Vladimir Putin is the president of Germany,
4) has a serious anger management problem,
5) is being accused of treason by his former pals,
6) has openly stated, apparently not at all in jest, that he aspires to be a dictator

Good look trying to find anything nearly as bad as that on Obama, or any other Congresscritter for that matter!

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I know this is off-topic but you've got this bit very, very wrong.

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The people who are struggling are those dumb enough to venture into massive credit debt, have families and children when not financially stable enough to do so, and the like.


It's the banks and mortgage lenders in their massive greed that have given credit to under-educated people who in former times would have been considered too much of a risk. No matter how well educated you are, if someone offers something you want, you will consider it and probably take it.

On-topic - if McCain parks it then you get Palin & who wants that? If 86% of Americans are dissatisfied with how things are going in the United States, then there will be regime change.

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Okay RE, your first video on McCain: He's absolutely right. The fundamentals are still strong even given a few weeks of turmoil. In case you didn't notice, the DOW went up almost 1,000 points today, the largest increase in the history of Wall Street. Also, gas prices are now sub-$3.00 (in Atlanta) and continuing to fall. He couldn't be more right.

In your second video, it's poorly spliced together to take comments out of contexts. And reading of the statistics like the prediction of gas prices going way over $4.00 was off. Gas in Atlanta's perimeter NEVER went over $4.00. McCain was right again... it's psychological. People are panicking (and whining). I am not one of those who does either and that's probably why I'm fine. The economy is not affecting me or any of my friends or family.

On your 3rd video, where's the rest of the video? Why'd you cut it off there? I've seen that video and he explains himself very thoroughly. And in case you didn't notice, obviously saying it like he did didn't offend anybody as the entire room laughed... he was only addressing the guy's question because that gentlemen obviously wanted to bomb Iran as well. I don't have a problem with this sequence of words at all. Neither should you... Iran is a dangerous country.

Your 4th video is just ticky-tacky. Even Obama said, "I have a hard time saying it as well" and then messed up his name a couple of days later! You're just looking for anything to gripe about.

Your 5th video is actually very inspiring. Everyone clapped to his words because he was standing by one of his top generals, who by the way, didn't betray anyone. That's fact, not opinion.

Your 6th video you completely took out of context again to make it seem like what he said was completely literal. He was saying he'd rather be fighting in Iraq than have the fight taken to here in the United States. I know you know that's what he's saying, you just like to pick apart things like this.

Your 7th video is again ticky-tacky. He said the wrong thing, it doesn't mean he has "no clue about foreign nations..." Wow, RE... I always knew you were arrogant, but apparently you're perfect as well.

Your 8th video, he just messed up. No excuse for that. But then again, Kennedy told Berlin that he's a jellyfish.

Your 9th video is really stupid. There's no unwritten debate law that says you look at your opponent. In case you don't know, the moderator asks questions, so you talk to the moderator, not your opponent. Man, you really let things bother you, don't you? I bet you can't sleep at night if there's even the slightest noise in the room.

In the 10th video, you're just showing us your lack of understanding of how American politics and campaigning works. Of course it's dirty pool... politicians are the second most evil people on earth (behind terrorists). They will distort every single word there is to get your vote. Are you telling me you're surprised by this?? You're really letting me down if you will say that you are. In fact, you should understand just as well because each video you posted is a distortion. You took bits and pieces of a whole so that nobody gets the entire story. If one wrong thing is said, or if one phrase is spliced to be taken out of context, you jump all over it to blow the whole thing up. Example (one of the top of my head)... if I say, "In my baseball game today, I was pitching and it was the last inning with my team winning by 1 and their team's best hitter at the plate. I had him down 2-strikes, so I threw the ball at him with curve and it broke down and away. He swung and missed and we won the game." ------ Now, out of that, you could just take the part where I said, "I threw the ball at him" and you can define it as me being malicious when clearly it wasn't even remotely the case. It's so easy to do.

Your 11th video is interesting because the exact opposite could be said of Obama... neither is a good thing. Yes, McCain is too hot-headed. Obama is too soft. If we could combine their temperaments, then it'd be perfect. If you want to say you'd rather have someone who's soft and (too) nice in these times of war, you have guts.

The 12th video is just bad. Who are these people? Yeah, I can read the titles that flashed up on the screen, but still... who are they? They are a handful of people out of how many?? Can you attest for each of their characters? Can you say that they are honest people speaking the exact truth? Because if all this was true, then every POW during McCain's time would be in these video clips. This is such a bad example.

In your last video, I'm not really sure what McCain is trying to say... and I'll agree, it doesn't sound good. Maybe we should get the rest of that video to see what he was getting at. I think Bush was talking about something completely different that had nothing to do with actual politics, he was just making a joke (hence people laughing).

............... anyway, I know it seems like I really just defending McCain, but that's not really the case. It's just to say that your examples are pretty lame because you don't give us the whole story. Half the videos are cut short, a few I'm okay with (and even agree), a few he messed up his words on, and a couple I didn't like at all. If you take every politician who ever tried to hold a major office, you can dig up dozens upon dozens of material just like this on every single one of them. Seriously, don't make it my project to go find videos on Obama... that's not even my thing to spend time doing that. Other than this post right here, I don't spend crazy amounts of time on the computer like you do. So... why don't you be honest with yourself and find the nastiest videos you can find on Obama and post them. Seriously, I want to see what you come up with. And don't half-ass it, don't leave any out. I know you can do it... why are you only picking on McCain? Is Obama perfect in your eyes or are you unwilling to tarnish his character amongst the people who read your posts? If that's the case, that's not very fair of you.

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And to crispncrunchy, while I agree that lenders came up with the crazy sub-prime loan idea, it was still citizens who jumped at it. It was something most people could see coming... keep in mind, I've been a real-estate title examiner in the foreclosure department of the #2 law firm in Atlanta for the last 7 years, this is why my insight is the way it is. It was so obvious what was going to eventually happen, but it's not like we could stop it. Of course people with sub-600 credit scores were going buy 2-story houses. Why wouldn't they? But that doesn't undermine the fact that they were foolish enough to not realize what was going on. That's why I'm in good position with my life, as well as a lot of people around me. Because I'm not naive. I'm not gullible. I'm not foolish. I know how to manage myself within a means... why can't others? It's really not that hard, actually. It really isn't. So who's really greedy? The banks or the people taking these loans for their dream houses??

And as for if McCain dies if he's in office... I don't like the thought of Palin, either. But do you really think she'd be the one actually running the country? Hell no, it'd be the McCain administration as a whole. Besides, I almost fear for Obama's life as well if he's elected. I could definitely see an assassination attempt or two by crazy, racist white men. And Joe Biden is definitely not the answer.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:54 pm  Post subject:   
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Besides, I almost fear for Obama's life as well if he's elected. I could definitely see an assassination attempt or two by crazy, racist white men. And Joe Biden is definitely not the answer.

Agreed, in fact Fidel Castro has gone as far to say that he's surprised that Obama hasn't been assassinated yet! :eek

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PD, do you really believe "the fundamentals of our economy are strong?"

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I believe the "fundamentals" are. However, the fundamentals of the general American public are not. Just look at our NBA players, haha. It's all about show, never about substance. We won't learn from this in the long-term. The next great technological advances will come forth and we will spend, spend, spend because we just gotta have it. Next thing you know, we're bitching about taxes and the like... LIVE WITHIN A MEANS!!



...... editing due to the last presidential debate coming to a conclusion. McCain FINALLY won one. Actually, it was in impressive fashion. Obama stumbled pretty much the entire time, really got out of character. Probably too little, too late for McCain, though.

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What debate were you watching? McCain was atrocious in this last one. Seriously, what a piss poor performance. It was painful seeing him try to address the camera, especially when it was juxtaposed with Obama's calm, intelligent demeanor.

I don't support Obama but the difference between the two is extraordinary. McCain, by all rights, shouldn't have a chance in this election. He exudes grease and slime.


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Well, I find it very interesting that almost all pundits from all the major networks favored McCain in this debate, which is what I saw... meanwhile, in almost all public polls taken, the public thought Obama won big time. That's very surprising to me. I think what happened was people didn't like that McCain was in attack mode the entire time. Obama comes off like a nice guy and people want that...

I, for one, don't think the nice-guy routine is what this country needs, which is why I saw this debate go heavily to McCain. Besides, Obama didn't even say anything. His health care plan is terrible (a lot worse for me personally than McCain's), his education plan is terrible (though McCain's is equally as bad), and actually, he agreed with McCain almost half the night anyway.

And as you said, Obama is calm and seemingly more intelligent, but McCain stuck him on that, too... pointing out that Obama is "so eloquent" in how he says things, which makes people not "listen" to what he's saying. And I completely agree with that... Obama is just dominating the simple-minded vote because people don't really hear what he's saying. He has no plan for us, he has no change. I'm actually going to be very interested in how bad things get in the next 4 years with him there. I actually think republicans want him elected as well so that they have a better chance to take the seat back in 2012 (and it would keep Hillary from running).

In other words, Obama winning is the best thing that could happen for the republican party in the long run.

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Okay RE, your first video on McCain: He's absolutely right. The fundamentals are still strong even given a few weeks of turmoil.

I decided I wouldn't bother replying to you after reading these first sentences... but by the end of it I couldn't resist replying to some of it.

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On your 3rd video, where's the rest of the video? Why'd you cut it off there? I've seen that video and he explains himself very thoroughly. And in case you didn't notice, obviously saying it like he did didn't offend anybody as the entire room laughed... he was only addressing the guy's question because that gentlemen obviously wanted to bomb Iran as well. I don't have a problem with this sequence of words at all. Neither should you... Iran is a dangerous country.

I didn't cut off the video; whoever posted it on Youtube did, and it's not taken out of context as you imply, as the point is not what McCain says about Iran - it's that he jokes about killing innocent people. The fact that the people in that room want to bomb Iran doesn't change the fact that McCain made a crude joke out of bombing Iran. Nobody in his right mind would want one of those crazy McCain supporters in that room with their fingers on the nuclear buttons. So why would anyone want McCain?

And your statement that "Iran is a dangerous country" is ignorant sheeple talk. Using your type of (il)logic, I could say that you've never been to Iran, thus you can't know if it's dangerous. Let me put it this way: when was the last time Iran attacked any other country? Look it up, you'll find that the answer is some millenia ago, during the Persian Sassanid Empire. When was the last time the US attacked any other country? They've attacked over 40 countries in the last 100 years, not counting the world wars - and only about 4 of those are part of the "war on terror" that you seem to love so much. Quite a dangerous country the United States, I would say.

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Your 6th video you completely took out of context again to make it seem like what he said was completely literal. He was saying he'd rather be fighting in Iraq than have the fight taken to here in the United States. I know you know that's what he's saying, you just like to pick apart things like this.

There's nothing taken out of context. If you want a longer video of it you can find it on Youtube. In another video he says the same thing, that he wouldn't mind staying in Iraq for 100 years if necessary. "Taking the fight to here in the US"? Hahaha, that's funny. You are the perfect sheep.

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Your 7th video is again ticky-tacky. He said the wrong thing, it doesn't mean he has "no clue about foreign nations..." Wow, RE... I always knew you were arrogant, but apparently you're perfect as well.

So saying that Putin is the president of Germany is "saying the wrong thing" - and that's supposed to be a valid argument?

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Your 9th video is really stupid. There's no unwritten debate law that says you look at your opponent. In case you don't know, the moderator asks questions, so you talk to the moderator, not your opponent. Man, you really let things bother you, don't you? I bet you can't sleep at night if there's even the slightest noise in the room.

Ad hominem, then straw man, then ad hominem again. The point that you're trying to divert attention away from is that McCain did not once look at his opponent throughout the entire debate. Not quite the manners of someone fit to be president, I would say.

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In the 10th video, you're just showing us your lack of understanding of how American politics and campaigning works. Of course it's dirty pool... politicians are the second most evil people on earth (behind terrorists). They will distort every single word there is to get your vote. Are you telling me you're surprised by this?? You're really letting me down if you will say that you are.

Here you accept your sheeple attitude that politicians are bad and that this is OK. You believe they lie about everything... except terrorism.


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In fact, you should understand just as well because each video you posted is a distortion. You took bits and pieces of a whole so that nobody gets the entire story. If one wrong thing is said, or if one phrase is spliced to be taken out of context, you jump all over it to blow the whole thing up.

Not true - you're only trying to make it seem so by using the fact that the videos are short and to-the-point.

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Your 11th video is interesting because the exact opposite could be said of Obama... neither is a good thing. Yes, McCain is too hot-headed. Obama is too soft. If we could combine their temperaments, then it'd be perfect. If you want to say you'd rather have someone who's soft and (too) nice in these times of war, you have guts.

"These times of war" created by the evil politicians and the evil terrorists. Funny how you choose to trust the evil politicians only because they are a bit less evil than the "terrorists" that they tell you about.

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The 12th video is just bad. Who are these people? Yeah, I can read the titles that flashed up on the screen, but still... who are they? They are a handful of people out of how many?? Can you attest for each of their characters? Can you say that they are honest people speaking the exact truth? Because if all this was true, then every POW during McCain's time would be in these video clips. This is such a bad example.

They are not only McCain's fellow POWs in Vietnam - they are the ones who were closest to him and personally saw what he did (other MIA POWs didn't have the same luck thanks to McCain's actions). Most POWs do not know what McCain did when he was in communist hands, and thus take him (and the media) on faith. They haven't heard about these POWs because the media ignores them.

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In your last video, I'm not really sure what McCain is trying to say... and I'll agree, it doesn't sound good. Maybe we should get the rest of that video to see what he was getting at. I think Bush was talking about something completely different that had nothing to do with actual politics, he was just making a joke (hence people laughing).

So go ahead and find the full video on Youtube. I've seen it, and I can guarantee that no significant context is missing from the short video I posted. There was no indication that he was joking, unlike with Bush's remarks.

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............... anyway, I know it seems like I really just defending McCain, but that's not really the case. It's just to say that your examples are pretty lame because you don't give us the whole story. Half the videos are cut short, a few I'm okay with (and even agree), a few he messed up his words on, and a couple I didn't like at all. If you take every politician who ever tried to hold a major office, you can dig up dozens upon dozens of material just like this on every single one of them.

Not at all - far from it. Bush has some pretty embarrasing moments, but nothing as bad as McCain. Same with Clinton. There's not much at all on Obama that can make you cringe - though that's probably because he's new.

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Seriously, don't make it my project to go find videos on Obama...

Please do! See what you can find. Impress me.

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So... why don't you be honest with yourself and find the nastiest videos you can find on Obama and post them. Seriously, I want to see what you come up with. And don't half-ass it, don't leave any out. I know you can do it... why are you only picking on McCain? Is Obama perfect in your eyes or are you unwilling to tarnish his character amongst the people who read your posts? If that's the case, that's not very fair of you.

You clearly haven't read my posts around here if you think that I support Obama in any way. The worst you can find on Obama is his constant slimy ass-licking of Israel - especially in an AIPAC conference, his selection of Joe "I am a Zionist" Biden as running mate, and his many Jewish advisors.

However, his family's Muslim background, his years in a largely-Muslim Indonesian school, his black pastor's remarks on Israel, his friendship with the great anti-Zionist black leader of Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan, his wife's black nationalist views, and Zionist ass-kissing black leader Jesse Jackson's remarks that Obama would "rid the US of years of Zionist control", almost make him look like a worthy candidate.

Not nearly as worthy as McKinney, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader (and former candidates Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel), and even Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr... all of whom are running and are better candidates than Obama, but have no chance because the media doesn't give them any coverage -- implying that two candidates truly represent 300 million people. The media is truly the world's weapon of mass destruction.

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Without taking the time cut and paste every quote you made, I'll just sum it up as best I can.

#1: The "fundamentals" are strong. Our people are not. We're stupid.

#2: I didn't see where McCain said anything about bombing innocent people. I'm pretty sure the word "innocent" wasn't even used or implied.

#3: Yes, I have been to Iran for a study-abroad program.

#4: I wouldn't mind staying in Iraq for 100 years, either... "if it is necessary." If it's not necessary, then no. McCain didn't imply one way or the other, you did.

#5: You messed up... I wrote that him saying Putin is the president of Germany was bad. It was the next quote down, not the one you highlighted. I said he just messed up on the "Iranians are training Al Qaeda" quote instead of saying "Iranians are training extremists", but that doesn't mean he doesn't have foreign policy knowledge. Ticky-tacky.

#6: McCain not looking at Obama is probably the least problematic theme of a campaign of all-time. In times of war, struggling economy, etc., and you want to point out eye-contact. Beautiful.

#7: Well, I'm not going to judge whether the people in the POW video are being truthful or not... I don't know them personally and neither do you. It also comes down to something that happened a really long time ago. I'm not the same person I was 5 years ago, let alone something that happened decades ago for McCain. We live in the now, not way back when. Otherwise Reagan, Clinton, and Bush never would have been elected.

#8: Only a couple of your videos are short and to the point. The rest of them lack the point trying to be made because they're cut short.

#9: The media lies, the politicians lie. I didn't say this was acceptable nor did I say I believe them. I question authority probably more than you do. The difference between me and you is that you find belief in people that no one has ever heard of and people you don't know personally.

#10: I didn't imply that you support Obama (not that you have a citizen's right to support any US candidate). I just said you that you kill McCain most of your posts and I very rarely see you even write the name Obama. True, Obama is new and he's basically been groomed to be the most likable candidate of recent memory. All I'm saying is, even if you don't support Obama, you make it pretty obvious you'd rather have him in office. But then again, who cares what you think? Until you get to vote for a US president, you should tone down your opinions to a whisper. Not to mention, there's been very, very few things over the years that you've even actually been right about. Everything you question and provide videos for are still speculation, not even fact. Until your "truths" actually start becoming truths (which they probably won't), you shouldn't have your chin up in the air so high. Oh, the irony. You're practically an American with your pride.

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